Stormy1486

Wonder it we'll get a decent road map at some point, or will be an only 2023 road map. Feels AoS is desperate for som clarity. I note 10th 40k we had the big splash of tyranids and marines, but then 2023 dribbled out with a very lame adeptus mechanicus release (one....interesting small character) and limited necron release (two decent but small special charscters and a new overlord). Kharadons, idoneth and fyreslayers are crying out for a 3-4 kit release - new charactee, unit, larger monsters. Lumineth water temple also may be on the cards with the river lords + coral/marine life teasers? And if ogors don't get a decent release soon, are they on the chopping block? Don't suppose our rumour lords could sneeze out anything more? I understand chaos duradins might be in, but that could be 6 months or two years from now? Also surely mountain clan dwarves in AoS don't survive in the new CoS index? Like we lost BoC, bonesplittaz, warcey and a lot of SCE, but I don't think the cull is over. Like seems pretty obvious dark elves havent moved over to the old world purely because they arent ready to release Malerion. Moment he comes in with new dark elves, they are out, who knows whether it'll be in 4th edition. But kinda feels now, Malerion will join DoK as a larger book, similar to the new orruk warclans, which will now only be ironjawz and kruelboyz.

Well you did say BoC were going...and they are...real dissapointment tbh At least I can get my hopes up about chaos dwarves and and Malerion dark elves one day?

Its not that im denying what whitefang said. Its more to point out i am dubious malerion is now on the radar for sometime if chaos dwarves are going to be slated for 4th edition. There are so many games filling out the GW calendar, would'nt be surprised GW spreading out AoS releases. Maybe we'll see Malerion in 5th edition. I must admit the full square base BoC stuff does concern me a bit which is a shame. Lots of the range needs a refresh, but the gorgon/cygor kit is amazing. Minotaurs do look a bit clunky for the AoS range, kroxigor/ogroids/troggoths look a lot better as kits.

Wonder if the index will purge duradins from CoS? I believe there is not meant to be any kits across AoS & ToW? Like all the old races from ToW dont use any AoS models offically and try to restrict them? Thats why skaven, seraphon and vampires aren't in ToW? Too many useful old kits? They purged 'black orcs' from AoS to make way for them in ToW. Is the steam tank in model in ToW? Savage orks? Some shared models between the two systems? So the launch of mountain holds and the CoS battletome becoming obselete sounds like the time duradin will get purged. I really hope we get a road map, because based off 10th edition 40k, we will get the following this year 1) 4th edition launch box 2) 2nd wave SCE & skaven 3) 1-2 tiny releases for two more armies (usual foot hero and battletome). I note some armies are beyond crying out for a larger release (kharadon, idoneth, fyreslayers), similar to the sylvaneth release of (2022?). When was the last time we got a proper new army? Sons of B? Bonereapers? Seems its years between fully new army releases. Its been years, but im pretty dubious about the claims both malerion and chaos dwarves are both coming in 4th edition.

Well that was a mostly predictable LVO, for AoS, with the exception of the new DoK hero. The hero is great. I was hoping for something more than just the teasers from December, c'est le vie. I am definitly keen for the Lumineth water caste, and seem pretty clearly to be the taster for the next wave including a mage and water beast/elemental. I can't imagine we'll get the zenith caste and tyrion alongside water stuff as well, feels too big a release. Maybe something similar in size to the sylvaneth wave from 2022. I found the descriptions during the LVO reveal, of morthai is "blood" aligned and the new crone model is shadow to be well...dumb. Morthai literally is called the "shadow queen". It feels like DoK are still occupying the conceptul space of aelves with connections to the shadow realm and as such I am less inclined to believe Malerions elves are coming anytime soon though, maybe years away sadly. Feels a lot of their concepts like the warcry shadowstalkers and this new hero could have easily gone to him. I believe the next big reveal is more likely to be adepticon? March?

Look it is possible two 2 dawnbringers, including the SBG's release is and the rest of FeC is what we are getting, but they released four battletomes in 2021 right up until 3rd edition was released, including SBG's massive release and a sizeable LRL 2nd wave (probably delayed by covid). Also FeC was a substantial release, so might be quiet for a few months, but it feels some battletomes may still be crammed in there. I would love a second IDK or Kharsdon wave, since they have only recieved limited hero releases and could use a little fleshing out like the latest sylvaneth wave. Still if i remember LvO 2023 was sneaky and we saw like...half of the seraphon release (saurus warriors, slan, raptadons). The rest came later in the year. But the seraphon updates were amazing and truly carried them wholly into AoS, like...if skaven are getting that treatment soon, exciting stuff! 2022 was only the arena of shades, so a NH and DoK foot hero, the ghosts with crossbows i think? Not not exciting at all (although NH did get that amazing dude in the boat). So 2023 LvO was pretty solid, 2022 a bit meh for AoS releases. Guess all we can do is wait!

Kinda curious as to what we may see at LVO, specifically AoS, not warcry/underworlds. If I remember correctly, Kruelboyz were announced at the end of May 2021 and released months later in the Dominion box. Seems unlikely we will see anything related to the 4th edition starter set, so doubt we will see skaven or stormcast. Maybe GW will attempt to cram in some battletomes with single foot figure releases before June/July. Maggotkin is one of the oldest, along with stormcast, fyreslayers, idoneth, nighthaunt, DK. Maybe some of these will get redone.

I think the old world reveal has well...revealed something interesting. Specifically ogre kindgoms and skaven are not getting supported for the old world, but BoC are one of the supported races. It suggests to me, that skaven and ogors are due for full revamps this year (skaven) and ogors next year. Other old world races, Vampire counts got their big revamp 2022 and seraphon 2023, and warriors of chaos had a bunch of new kits. It seems more plausible the races not going to the old world are in the process of their revamp, at the rate of one old world army at most once a year. Maybe BoC 2026. The fact dwarfs are so emphasised for old world to me suggests they will be gone in the next cities of sigmar book, with the newer kits like ironbreakers and hammers getting moved sideways to the old world. I wonder if trollslayers will be supported in the old world given they never had a plastic release in warhammer and the existance of fyreslayers. The fact that dark elves are not in the old world and that none of their kits (including the very old corsairs) have been retired makes me suspicious that the AoS Malkieth faction are still a couple of years off. If i remember correctly the really old high elf kits (pre-2010) started to be phased out before lumineth realm lords in 2020. Most of the dark elf kits are post 2010. If people are willing to still buy dark elves in AoS, and they intend to do a full revamp for an AoS Dark elves faction, maybe they will hold off and then re-introduce dark elves to the old world in a few years. With the excitement for chaos dwarves...i'll believe it when I see it. I get squats got brought back as a great new interation as leagues of votann and I love chaos dwaves in total war warhammer. And we are due a 'new army', the last being sorta of the kruelboyz release. But don't want to get too excited, even though i would buy a laamsu, great tarus or ka'dai destroyer in a heart beat. Maybe if I chant lamassu and 'k'dai destroyer' enough, or just start making random posts saying "lamassu" and 'k'dai destroyer' I can bewitch whitefang into a reaction.

I'm excited by the tomb king release, if only to have access to the sphinx, stalkers and necropolis knights (the necrosphinx being in my top five minatures ever made). I am ready to be dissapointed, based off the Bretonnian preview, that we are unlikely to see an updated settra, queen, tomb scorpion, screaming skull catapult, casket of souls, bone giant or carrion. I really hope the very very aged skeleton warriors and chariots are updated. I do not feel they stand the test of time and were already outdated 20 years ago (unlike the Bretonnian men at arms, bowmen and knights). Would be interesting to see what is released, likely a new liche priest.

Sorry I missed the part where they said there would be more kits?

So with 2022 mapped out, the oldest armybook is BOC (2018) I believe? Followed by Gitz, Fleshcourts, Blades of Khorne, Bonereapers, Cities of Sigmar (all 2019). Then kharadon and seraphon (2020). Although obviously, GW don't mind rehashing more recent armies. It also seems the trend of big new armies have fallen off (like kharadon, deepkin, lumineth, nighthaunt, bonereapers) with no new army this year (maybe Kruelboys were nearly their own army with the number of kits?). At most, only one classic army gets a big face lift a year (soulblight 2021 and slaves to darkness 2022). So maybe seraphon or BOC get a big face lift next year. Maybe a new army like Malerions elves. Probably single hero releases for any other armybooks getting 2.0 or 3.0 releases. Or a 3rd hedonite book and 4th daughters of khaine and LRL 😄

Glutos - 475 Sigvald - 265 Lord of pain - 155 Shardspeaker - 150 Blissbarb archers - 180 2 x 5 painbringers - 320 2 x slickblades - 460 2005 points *eye roll* seriously gw. Thanks for all these 5 points. Mebbe I can play the list if there is a points drops for slaanesh in 6 months.

Anyone's army mostly look safe even with all the new edition changes? Was worried that my 6 fiends would take a hit with the cap of +1/-1 but I feel with monsters potentially becoming more of a thing they will still be useful. Otherwise glutos, sigvald, slickblades and blissbarb archers all still looking pretty good. Might even try one of new twins if I can figure out something good

So after determining that lumineth is probably one of the most stable armies to transfer to AoS 3.0, I'm looking for advice for combining random models into a list that won't get bulldozed all the time but contains lots of models that I want. The core of the list will likely be: Avenelor and Svirareth OR teclis 20 wardens 20 sentinels I then run into trouble. I love the Vanari lord model and his support for wardens and sentinels without teclis. I love the stone and wind mage and understand they both are amazing with their respective special character (avenelor and Svirareth). I really want some bladelords but understand they only had a purpose with a character to protect and I understand a calthar are really valuable. I assume that I am lacking bodies on the board. Does the following work. Avaenlor Sviareth Cathalar Reagent lord Wind OR stonemage 5 bladelords 20 sentinels 20 wardens Then 10 more wardens and/or 10 sentinels? Am i lacking too much speed? I'm not 100% keen on 30 wardens and 30 sentinels. Do I need some dawnriders? Can windchargers work in groups of five without their respective nation?

I'm currently feeling a list with: Vhohdrai Coven throne Blood knights Varghiests Vengorian Terrorgiests Fast, hard hitting, lots of great models. I dunno probably suck but think it would look great. Vhodrai with a coven throne or 10 blood knights with a coven throne could be epic. From what i can tell, with the right buffs, you can heal up vhodrai quite a bit as well (d6 here and there, d3 if you take battalion). Seems fun.