MidasKiss Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Coming from a different angle (brayherd), but depending on the melee warscrolls that are released, my friend pointed out that they have the Gor keyword so could get an extra attack with each melee weapon under the Furious Brayherd. Could be good with the melee weapon presumably being nice, +1 attack for beak and the disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iradekhorne Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 1 hour ago, DarkBlack said: This worries me. Having all the points in one book enables all of them to be updated together and avoids the situation where army books of different ages are not balanced. I don't think so. What i think is, they are going to be updated again in general handsbook 2.0, 3.0 etc, and the latest release null the old point versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Quote Whilst the rule of one could potentially overrule the Tzaangor's ability to cast the same spell twice, one thing I find interesting is you can easily take a daemon spellcaster and a mortal/arcanite spellcaster, using different lores, and therefore potentially cast two powerful and/or similar spells. Which personally I think is good, Tzeentch should, at least in my mind, be the spellcaster force, challenged only by slaan. Given the FAQ answer re Kroak, it cannot cast the same spell twice in matched play (which is a good thing). The magic rule of one looks better and better with hindsight. I'm pleased to see that the Enlightened seems to be a melee Knight Unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted December 22, 2016 Author Share Posted December 22, 2016 Quote Coming from a different angle (brayherd), but depending on the melee warscrolls that are released, my friend pointed out that they have the Gor keyword so could get an extra attack with each melee weapon under the Furious Brayherd. Could be good with the melee weapon presumably being nice, +1 attack for beak and the disc. It will be interesting if any of the Battalions allow you to take "Chaos units" in the manner of Gnarlroot or Winterleaf Wargroves for Sylvaneth. This could allow for the Gor buffs potentially (while keeping Tzeentch Allegiance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 As an aside, what do people think/hope will be in their start collecting box? I would assume the new tzaangor shaman and skyfires/enlightened, and then some kairic acolytes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iradekhorne Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I hope that too, probably i buy two of them and sell 1 shaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 6 hours ago, Nico said: I'm pleased to see that the Enlightened seems to be a melee Knight Unit. Where does that info come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 The baby Screamers are cute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblinclub Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 11 hours ago, DarkBlack said: This worries me. Having all the points in one book enables all of them to be updated together and avoids the situation where army books of different ages are not balanced. Me too. I love the sound of this book. I'm not a fan of this new move, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobgoblinclub Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Nico said: Given the FAQ answer re Kroak, it cannot cast the same spell twice in matched play (which is a good thing). The magic rule of one looks better and better with hindsight. I'm pleased to see that the Enlightened seems to be a melee Knight Unit. But you can cast the same spell multiple times already in narrative and open. If this doesn't apply to matched play why is it there? Matched play is the only place that restricts such things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 There is a few instances of rules saying can be cast multiple times which you can't in matched play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulsmith Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Arkiham said: There is a few instances of rules saying can be cast multiple times which you can't in matched play. As much as it might be annoying, just remember, the meta would be Kroak if not. Also, especially the enlightened on warhammer community, does anyone think the paintjobs are so-so? The highlights seem very harsh and thick, and the purple wash on the weapon isn't subtle - bit pooled even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 13 hours ago, DarkBlack said: This worries me. Having all the points in one book enables all of them to be updated together and avoids the situation where army books of different ages are not balanced. Yeh this is one single thing I wasn't totally sold on personally. I like having the points all in one place, makes updating them much cleaner. Will reserve judgement for now though as the rest was so cool. I'm also not gonna start bemoaning another amazing ranged unit as it would purely be out of jealously and I'm sure I'll get my heavy crossbow armed Brutes one day! Really love the look of both the models and rules...this release is going to be huge. Bits and Kits (online component seller) has a 50% sale at present, so I went ahead and ordered the following last night; Silver Tower Gaunt Summoner Ogroid Thaumaturge 30 Silver Tower Tzaangor 24 Kairic Acolytes I also got a bunch of bits from the 40k Tzaangor kit - banner, horn, various weapons so I can add a bit of variety to those 3 Silver Tower poses. Will probably pick up a further box to add more diversity. Still, its a lot of models and gives me a pretty solid base for an army. Will buy the Shaman and 2-3 boxes of Skyfires/Enlightened when they come out as well. At the moment I don't know whether I'm bandwagoning myself or planning to paint the army quickly to a decent gaming standard to sell and capitalise on said bandwagoners. If you fancy an army but don't want to paint it, get in touch and you may be able to help me make my decision!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 23 minutes ago, Chris Tomlin said: Really love the look of both the models and rules...this release is going to be huge. Bits and Kits (online component seller) has a 50% sale at present, so I went ahead and ordered the following last night; Silver Tower Gaunt Summoner Ogroid Thaumaturge 30 Silver Tower Tzaangor 24 Kairic Acolytes So that's where the rest of the Tzaangor went!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, Soulsmith said: As much as it might be annoying, just remember, the meta would be Kroak if not. Also, especially the enlightened on warhammer community, does anyone think the paintjobs are so-so? The highlights seem very harsh and thick, and the purple wash on the weapon isn't subtle - bit pooled even. depends if it was done by eavy metal or the army painter lot, i got the impression that some of their armies are being sent out for test play and painting now by a select few, and those models are pictured, from the table top they likely look fine but up close and personal to the micro detail, they look not as well done, remember this are in an army, not golden demon winners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkBlack Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 2 hours ago, hobgoblinclub said: But you can cast the same spell multiple times already in narrative and open. If this doesn't apply to matched play why is it there? Matched play is the only place that restricts such things. In the core rules, under "casting spells" it says "...A wizard can only attempt to cast each spell once per turn". The ability also allows a second spell (instead of the one per term stated) and a reroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still-young Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I don't see how the points being in this book necessarily indicates that they won't be updating them in the next generals handbook or whatever. That will just update them from this book, instead of the last generals handbook if needed. This book is almost like a points update between generals handbook 1 and generals handbook 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changer Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I agree. If we assume that there will be a new GH approximately once a year, these new Battletomes will allow GW to release new models (what we all want!) and allow them to be used in Matched Play straight away. Of course, another way of dealing with this would have been to release the GH just in a digital format, and add the points to that each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Oh yeh, I agree totally. I still think they'll be updated for sure (if necessary), but it means the Battletome itself would then include outdated info. To me, having a GHB each year (or however frequent) with all the current points values is just a lot cleaner as then all the old info just cycles out and isn't confusing, especially for newer players etc. It'll be fine I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daedalus81 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 9 hours ago, Shane said: The baby Screamers are cute. Oh! I didn't even notice. I have to show that to my wife! (Increased probability of forgiveness when I buy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Taylor Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 15 minutes ago, daedalus81 said: Oh! I didn't even notice. I have to show that to my wife! (Increased probability of forgiveness when I buy) Not going to work! Trust me I've tried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Just tell her it's better for your health than spending the money on alcohol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 1 hour ago, daedalus81 said: Oh! I didn't even notice. I have to show that to my wife! (Increased probability of forgiveness when I buy) I like the detail of having the newborns be darker coloured. They brighten as they grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebroseph Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I really hope they do some keyword work to make brayherd interchangeable along with slaves to darkness. I painted my war herd in tzeench colors for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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