DeadlySarcasm Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 5 hours ago, Nico said: Sedge should win it. No-one seems to have a hard counter to his Arrer Boyz (the Arrer Boyz by themselves can delete virtually anything that isn't on a 35/36 save within range even without attacking twice, epecially thanks to the wonders of Damned Terrain. Apparently he has some other fun stuff in his list as well. Doesn't warrior brotherhood counter his list? Drop down, kill hero's? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Quote Doesn't warrior brotherhood counter his list? Drop down, kill hero's? I haven't seen it in action, but I suspect not. The Kunning Rukk bonuses are just gravy on top of the real problem which is 40 models with 80 wounds and 120 attacks that they can pile buffs onto. Unless the WB gets a double turn (which is admittedly 50% of the time), I cannot see them killing the heroes the first turn with pew pew and grinding through another 80 odd wounds of Savage Orruks and Moonclan, before they can even touch the Orruk Archers. As soon as he fires back (likely with the Damned Terrain buff and frankly his general should be one of the Arrer Boyz with Bellowing Shout and maybe mystical terrain if he fancies a gamble, everything in range will die, especially 4+ save Paladins. I haven't had the time until now to check which model is the general, I've now looked and he has actually made the champion of his 5 model, 15 wound pig unit the general, which is probably genius, since it's the lowest priority in terms of damage output. Take a bow! Very Kunning! They will likely be sitting in the middle of a donut of Arrerboyz, - never going to die from pew pew fast enough to take out the Bellowing Shout. This means that the Arrer Boyz will be hitting on 4+, or 3+ with one damned terrain or 2+ with two damned terrain. Rerolling ones to hit, unless you kill the Maniak as well. Once the WB have committed enough models, the pen of cheap bodies guarding the Stonelord and stopping Protectors from reaching it with 3" range will open (which is not that far off full damage output even with a significant number of wounds shot off) and it will delete several units in response. The WB isn't immune to Battleshock either. The only query I have is why a Hunter instead of a cheap Shaman - if he casts mystic shield on the Stonelord successfully that will often be game changing - perhaps the Hunter is to deal with enemy artillery crew? I think this is called effective Target Saturation. The WB can play the battleplan well and try to outscore the enemy on some Battleplans, but they simply don't have the damage output to deal with a horde (let alone a horde with a Stonelord and all the other fun things in the list). Edited January 12, 2017 by Nico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requizen Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 This is why, though they're not as good overall as the other two paladin options, I still consider Decimators when I make Warrior Brotherhood. There's so much bubblewrapping with Grots and Boyz that having something that just scythes through blobs and makes Battleshock even worse is amazing. Plus, there are so many -1 to hit units (Thundertusks and Mournguls notably) that Retributors are often without their 2MW swings. That said, I'm excited to see the games. Will there be WarhammerTV coverage or just reports? Who should I follow on Twitter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Nico said: -wall of text- Its not enteirly about killing the shooters. WB can dominate in some of the battle plans. particularly 3 Gift from the heavens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Pike Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Requizen said: I still consider Decimators when I make Warrior Brotherhood. The problem is against a good player they will space out the models in such a way that you get a very limited number of attacks, and may as well just take the other 2 options instead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 12, 2017 Author Share Posted January 12, 2017 last 2 tables going g up in the morning. How does everyone see the 1st round going? Get your predictions in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted January 12, 2017 Share Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) Quote Plus, there are so many -1 to hit units (Thundertusks and Mournguls notably) that Retributors are often without their 2MW swings. Yup. Not to mention Sylvaneth! I like Protectors as good all rounders. Quote Its not enteirly about killing the shooters. WB can dominate in some of the battle plans. particularly 3 Gift from the heavens. That's true. Anywhere they can use the drip feed a unit at a time to score while keeping the hammer blow in reserve is also useful. I don't mean to say that it's a shoe in. I would just say that Sedge is my pick to win it. Edited January 12, 2017 by Nico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countmoore Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Here is the first round draw in full Rob Perrin vs Ben Johnson Tony Moore vs Luke McHugh Darran Palmer vs Mark Wildman Martin Morrin vs Terry Pike Daniel Ford vs Ricky Mee Jack Armstrong vs Byron Orde Russ Veal vs Pano Kieran Harper vs Robert Sedgeman any full round one predictions now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Pike Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 For most of the games the scenario rolled will probably be the decider so predictions go out the window until we know which one we are playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Countmoore said: Here is the first round draw in full Rob Perrin vs Ben Johnson Tony Moore vs Luke McHugh Darran Palmer vs Mark Wildman Martin Morrin vs Terry Pike Daniel Ford vs Ricky Mee Jack Armstrong vs Byron Orde Russ Veal vs Pano Kieran Harper vs Robert Sedgeman any full round one predictions now? My round one winners (subject to change based on the battleplan) are; Rob Tony Darran Martin Dan Jack Russ Sedge 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenbits Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Jealous of you brits and your massive tournaments Hoping it'll be awesome! Will the lists be posted? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadlySarcasm Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Kierans in for a rough game 1, I wouldn't want to play the rukk with my ironjawz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Tomlin Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 @Marc Wilson That's funny, I actually started to sketch out some odds of my own the other day with mind to running a book on it! I'd definitely be up for chucking a couple of quid at it. I presume max 50p bets at each of the entrants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wilson Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) Yeah @Chris Tomlinmax 50p per single bet, so it stays FUN and not something... I have to tell the wife about ha ha Edit, got busy at work didn't happen - bleh Edited January 14, 2017 by Marc Wilson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wilson Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 20 hours ago, Chickenbits said: Jealous of you brits and your massive tournaments Hoping it'll be awesome! Will the lists be posted? They're all all the first page dude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 The first round is underway. Ben Johnson had to drop out so @Chris Tomlin is in and playing against Rob Perrins tomb kings on table 1. The first round battleplan is Blood and Glory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Here's a blast from the past. The 1st masters at Derby in 2009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Photos dump from round 1 so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Russ' tomb kings have stalled again against Panos Bloodbound. 6 Necropolis knights stopped for the whole double turn. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Go on the Bloodbound [emoji1303]Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Terry is taking it back against Martin. He just won turn 4. Is up on points with the protectors dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Pre-final turn count to see the lay of the points. Chris is 240 behind and is the only one with a turn left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Results are in and the next round is kicking off. Mark Wildman is leading the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 The Battleplan is Escalation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share Posted January 14, 2017 Warrior brotherhood looking nasty in Escalation. Both Jack and Martin are in the sky and take 2nd turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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