Gecktron Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 1 minute ago, BenOutTheDen said: He was clearly implying that people don't like her because she wasn't swining a hammer while shooting laserbeams out of her eyes, which is clearly pejorative towards other people's opinion. I did just delivered my thoughts about the model without judging other's you liked it. It's absolutely ridiculous that you try to involve the feelings of the company employee who sclupted it.... ? 15 minutes ago, BenOutTheDen said: She looks like she came straight out of an edgar allan poe coloring-book for little girls. She had such a promising silhouette, though. He definitiv could have worded it better but yours is definitely way worse. You can't argue that saying something is for little girls isn't meant in a derogativ way Bickering aside, I like her. The skull covered by a brides veil is a great aesthetic. Reminds me of a renaissance statue I have seen once. Like a mix of these two: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 @bentheden I think its cool you went back and edited the edge off your comments, I do that too lots if I feel I delivered something in a way that I didn't intend. Have a nice evening! I don't think anything you said was nasty or anything, I just read it a bit harsh. Probably just passion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Turragor said: not a company - employees. I just think your thoughts need groomed before delivery, but it aint my job to worry about that. Which one's feeling I need to consider? You started it and now I'm really curious in which way I am obligated to consider the development time of a design product I don't like to forge my opinion. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, christophe said: someone say cost of liberator, so 100 ? What???? I seriously hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Just now, BenOutTheDen said: Which one's feeling I need to consider? You started it and know I'm really curious in which way I am obligated to consider the development time of a design product I don't like to forge my opinion. ? You'd originally written company (only) pre-edit and I just mentioned that there's ppl who make the stuff. Sometimes they aren't 'heart in it' types, or the modus operandi of the company is to cut corners and churn out ******, but I've always got the impression the GW folks really care. So I imagined a few creative types reading the reviews and seeing the harsh stuff and being sad. From a company perspective, ofc, no need to pretend a company is an individual or to treat it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waiyuren Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gecktron said: He definitiv could have worded it better but yours is definitely way worse. You can't argue that saying something is for little girls isn't meant in a derogativ way Bickering aside, I like her. The skull covered by a brides veil is a great aesthetic. Reminds me of a renaissance statue I have seen once. Like a mix of these two: Oh man, that second one creeps me right out! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absolution black Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I like the new sculpt and it has pretty much sold me on keeping the night haunt from the starter set as a second army, or a lead in to a legions of nagash force. I wouldn't paint mine white though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Turragor said: You'd originally written company (only) pre-edit and I just mentioned that there's ppl who make the stuff. Sometimes they aren't 'heart in it' types, or the modus operandi of the company is to cut corners and churn out ******, but I've always got the impression the GW folks really care. So I imagined a few creative types reading the reviews and seeing the harsh stuff and being sad. From a company perspective, ofc, no need to pretend a company is an individual or to treat it as such. On the flip side, if you are going to be in a creative endeavor then you should probably be willing to accept the full spectrum of responses. Some people might appreciate the effort but not like the final product for whatever reason, others might absolutely love it, some people will be lukewarm, and then others will absolutely detest it. I feel that you should be able to express your opinion of a piece of work, even if that opinion is very harsh, without that being a bad reflection of the artist. On that note, I really like this model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaelART Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I think the model has a lot of potential, the scheme chosen is just too clean/bright/caricature-ish to do it justice I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gotrek Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Am i the only one leery of the new night haunt (the mortarch in particular) in regards to transport and the rigors of playing with them? Seems most of them are connected to the base by a single spindly bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaelART Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 This looks interesting, a good move I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 10 minutes ago, Turragor said: You'd originally written company (only) pre-edit and I just mentioned that there's ppl who make the stuff. Sometimes they aren't 'heart in it' types, or the modus operandi of the company is to cut corners and churn out ******, but I've always got the impression the GW folks really care. So I imagined a few creative types reading the reviews and seeing the harsh stuff and being sad. From a company perspective, ofc, no need to pretend a company is an individual or to treat it as such. Sorry, but you're clearly getting overboard with your consideration of the employees sentiments. That is wrong in several ways, GW is a stock company and sells to gain profit. The model is just a product in a mass production line. The model is received - let's call it at least - mixed, although people were really hyped for her release. You could argue that's an indicator that it the model is indeed not their best work. GW is big buisness now and it wants to expand. Also a designer can only improve professionally when he's corrected by the market. I don't even doubt there are people whose lifeblood went into their work, yet they should reach a level of professionalism to withstand eligible criticism to their product. And after all "looks like she came out of an edgar allan poe coloring book for little girls" is pretty accurate and rather light hearted verbalized. But I think we reached the point to end this discussion between the two of us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 30 minutes ago, Gotrek said: Am i the only one leery of the new night haunt (the mortarch in particular) in regards to transport and the rigors of playing with them? Seems most of them are connected to the base by a single spindly bit I think you’re quite right to be a bit conrcened about transport they do look prone to snapping. I do like the look of them though Mortarch of Grief included she’s well creepy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richelieu Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Gotrek said: Am i the only one leery of the new night haunt (the mortarch in particular) in regards to transport and the rigors of playing with them? Seems most of them are connected to the base by a single spindly bit I just played a GT with an army that included a unit of ten DoK Heartrenders and they held up quite well despite being connected to the base by only a long, thin tail and having spindly wings. No damage to anything that I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turragor Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, BenOutTheDen said: Sorry, but you're clearly getting overboard with your consideration of the employees sentiments. That is wrong in several ways, GW is a stock company and sells to gain profit. The model is just a product in a mass production line. The model is received - let's call it at least - mixed, although people were really hyped for her release. You could argue that's an indicator that it the model is indeed not their best work. GW is big buisness now and it wants to expand. Also a designer can only improve professionally when he's corrected by the market. I don't even doubt there are people whose lifeblood went into their work, yet they should reach a level of professionalism to withstand eligible criticism to their product. And after all "looks like she came out of an edgar allan poe coloring book for little girls" is pretty accurate and rather light hearted verbalized. But I think we reached the point to end this discussion between the two of us now. yeah I think we can move on, I'm not so invested in my position and I agree with elements of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 Mortarch of grief. On the positive side, it is completely new, with a specific design, like the latest Eidolon... And for me, nothing really more positive. On the negative: my first impression was a disapointment. I find the design a bit lazy, and the face awfully lazy. The face has no character at all, especially when compared to other mortarch which are EPIC on their mount. About the face: all the other NEW Nighthaunt units have a nice scuplted face very expressive with different approachs. Look a the new banshee! wow, the new NH troops and heros, WOW. And their leader? No face at all. Even with a color sheme (I almost wrote "shame") it will be difficult to give some relief. Well, the thing is: we all more or less to get it because you can't avoid it. I'll learn to like it anyway...(with the details around her) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beliman Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I really love the mortarch of grief!!! Really diferent from others, but still 10/10. Really hard to accomplish something that seems to be frail, etheral and sad at the same time (the concept is awesome), and still be the leader of a an army made of screaming/chained/tortured ghosts and souls. 10/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enoby Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I had a very brief look in the core rules for AoS 2 and I noticed that all the grand alliance allegiance abilities remain the same (from what I could tell). Also, even the armies which weren't in the table of contents get a small chapter on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skabnoze Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, BenOutTheDen said: And after all "looks like she came out of an edgar allan poe coloring book for little girls" is pretty accurate and rather light hearted verbalized. As a side note, this sounds like a pretty awesome coloring book. I would definitely buy it for my daughter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PJetski Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 59 minutes ago, Turragor said: | Martin | | Stormcast | Lord Arcanum on Gryph-Charger Knight-Incantor, 2 x 5 Sequitors, Celestar Ballista, 3 Evocators, 2 x 3 Castigators, 2 x 5 Liberators2 x 5 JudicatorsKnight venator2 x Knight Azyros, Endless Spell - Chronomatic Cog.| THERE MAY BE ERRORS FROM TRANSCRIPTION | 2 Knight Azyros? His warscroll must have changed because he's usually not even worth running 1 copy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentdeathz Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, PJetski said: 2 Knight Azyros? His warscroll must have changed because he's usually not even worth running 1 copy... Might just be to make the shooting seem more impactful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Gamma Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I love the model. The face is very simple but I think that adds to the feeling of grief. Its the emptiness of despair. Tempting me once again to start Nighthaunt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vasshpit Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 29 minutes ago, Skabnoze said: As a side note, this sounds like a pretty awesome coloring book. I would definitely buy it for my daughter! Right proppa parenting. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralZero Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 I didn't watch the live battlerep on WH live because it was not subbed. What did we learn with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe Posted June 13, 2018 Share Posted June 13, 2018 52 minutes ago, PJetski said: 2 Knight Azyros? His warscroll must have changed because he's usually not even worth running 1 copy... I think they were not trying to have a super competitive list (taking the purple sun and stuff...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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