kurtces Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Hello, I've been looking into the last "battletome" for Dark Elves, and I feel it's incomplete. The firt "bug", it's that you don't have Alligiance rules and battalions. Moreover, you don't have points. I love narrative battles, but I think it's neccesary play balanced rules for have a good experience. Because of that, I'm thinking about some additional rules for this "battletome". The feedbacks are appreciated. INITIAL NOTES: I've used the point list from General's Handbook 2016, because in the 2017 version book, doesn't exist all units, but I've included my own version of the point sales from General's Handbook 2017. The Cauldron of Blood with Death Hag costs 220. As Hellebron costs 40 points more than a simple Death Hag, Hellebron on Cauldron costs 260 points. A single Manticore (comparing the costs of Chaos Sorcerer Lord (140 points) and Chaos Sorcerer Lord on Manticore (240 points)) is 100 points. This cost, is equal than a single Scourgerunner Chariots. Due to this comparison, the Beastmaster on Scourgerunner Chariots cost is 140 points. Apart from the Dark Elves "battletome" units, you can include these units (it could be neccesary review their rules): Master with Battle Standard 1 1 80 Leader Sorceress on Dark Pegasus 1 1 220 Leader I've not include the Mengil's Manflayer unit cost. POINTS UNIT MIN MAX POINTS BATTLEFIELD ROLE NOTES Malekith the Witch King 1 1 640 Leader, Behemoth Only one of this model can be included. Hellebron, the Blood Queen 1 1 100 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Hellebron on Cauldron of Blood 1 1 260 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Morathi 1 1 220 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Malus Darkblade 1 1 120 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Dreadlord 1 1 100 Leader Dreadlord on Cold One 1 1 100 Leader Dreadlord on Black Dragon 1 1 340 Leader, Behemoth Sorceress 1 1 80 Leader Sorceress on Cold One 1 1 100 Leader Sorceress on Black Dragon 1 1 340 Leader, Behemoth Beastmaster on Manticore 1 1 140 Leader, Behemoth Beastmaster on Scourgerunner Chariots 1 1 140 Leader, Behemoth Black Ark Fleetmaster 1 1 40 Leader Shadowblade 1 1 120 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Lokhir Fellhart 1 1 80 Leader Only one of this model can be included. Death Hag 1 1 60 Leader Death Hag on Cauldron of Blood 1 1 220 Leader Assassin 1 1 80 Leader Dreadspears 10 40 80/280 Battleline Bleakswords 10 40 100/360 Battleline Darkshards 10 40 100 Battleline Black Ark Corsairs 10 40 100/360 Dark Riders 5 20 140 Witch Aelves 10 30 140/360 Cold One Knights 5 20 160 Black Guard 10 30 180/450 Shades 5 20 100 Mengil's Manflayers XX XX XXX Cold One Chariots 1 3 100 Executioners 10 30 200/540 Reaper Bolt Thrower 1 1 120 Artillery Harpies 5 30 60 Scourgerunner Chariots 1 3 100 War Hydra 1 1 240 Behemoth Kharibdyss 1 1 200 Behemoth Bloodwrack Medusae 1 6 120 Bloodwrack Shrine 1 1 140 Behemoth Doomfire Warlocks 5 20 200 Sisters of Slaughter 10 30 160/420 Thrall Warhost - - 80 Warscroll Battalion Bloodwrack Sisterhood - - 40 Warscroll Battalion Ebondrake Warhost - - 60 Warscroll Battalion Realm Reavers - - 80 Warscroll Battalion Exiled Blood Cult - - 80 Warscroll Battalion Exiled Warhost - - 60 Warscroll Battalion ALLIGIANCE In order to distinguish between the different factions of Warhammer Fantasy World, I've decided use the DARKLING COVEN ALLIGIANCE rules, from the General's Handbook 2017 to use its Command Traits, battle traits and artifacts. You can see this ones on this book. BATTALIONS THRALL WARHOST ORGANIZATION 1-6 Sorceress (also on Cold One or Black Dragon). 1 Black Guard unit. 1 Executioners unit. 3-6 of any combination of these units: Dreadspears, Bleakswords or Darkshards. RULES At the beginning of the game, choose one of the sorceress in the battalion. In your Hero phase, choose one unit within 12" of any enemy unit and within 18" of this sorceress. This unit can charge and then, pile in and attack. BLOODWRACK SISTERHOOD ORGANIZATION 1 Cauldron of Blood (Death Hag or Hellebron). 1 Bloodwrack Medusae unit or 1 Bloodwrack Shrine unit. 1 Death Hag. 1-6 of any combination of these units: Witch Elves, Sisters of Slaughter or Doomfire Warlocks. RULES In your Hero Phase, roll a dice for each unint of this battalion within 3" of an enemy unit and 9" of Cauldron of Blood from this battalion. With 6 or more, this unit can pile in and attack inmediately. EBONDRAKE WARHOST ORGANIZATION 1 Dreadlord on Black Dragon. 2-3 units of Cold One Knights. 1-2 units of Cold One Chariots. 1-3 War Hydras. RULES You can re-roll 1 rolls to Wound in the close combat phase. Once per battle, in your hero phase, all battalion units within 12" of any enemy and 8" of the battalion Dreadlord, can try charge. REALM REAVERS ORGANIZATION 1 Black Ark Fleetmaster. 2 Black Ark Corsairs units. 1 Kharibdyss unit. 1 Scourgerunner Chariots unit. RULES In your Hero Phase, one unit from this battalion within 8" of the Fleetmaster can move (cannot run), shoot, charge or pile in and attack. You can re-roll 1 rolls to Wound if your target is a MONSTER. EXILED BLOOD CULT ORGANIZATION 1 Death Hag or Death Hag on Cauldron of Blood (also Hellebron). 3 units of Witch Elves. 1 unit of Har Ganeth Executioners. RULES If a unit was slain for one unit from this battalion during close combat phase, you can add 1 to the Attacks to all melee weapons used by other units of this battalion during the rest of this close combat phase. If a miniature roll 6 or more to Wound, this weapon make a Mortal Wound instead of normal damage. EXILED WARHOST ORGANIZATION 1 Dreadlord, Dreadlord on Black Dragon or Dreadlord on Cold One. 3 units of Darkshards, Bleakswords or Dreadspears, in any combination. 1 unit of Dark Riders. 1 unit of Cold One Knights or Cold One Chariots. RULES You can repeat the 1 rolls to Wound of all miniatures of this battalion in close combat phase. You can add 1 to Hit of all miniatures of this battalion, if this miniature charged this turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenshin620 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 Maybe to make the columns more readable, perhaps make a google doc using their spreadsheets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaleun Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 @kurtces some things are mixed up here. First I ask you to bring your Thread in a better readable format. You used the point costs of the old Dark elves compendium. This is not accurate anymore because several warscrolls got updated point costs. Also you wont be able to use those battalions, because of the keywords. GW stated that the Dark Elve Legancy pdf is not made for matched play. Therefore the point cost you will list (updated after GH2017) will only be a guideline for narrative games. Mengils Man Flayers would very likely use the same point cost as Shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Golem Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 57 minutes ago, Kaleun said: Mengils Man Flayers would very likely use the same point cost as Shades. Seeing the Mengil's Manflayers have Executioners swords and a protection bonus against ranged attacks, I think they would probably cost a little more points than the Shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrZakalwe Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 Here's hoping the edition change reunites some of the balkanised factions - this list could be useful then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aelfric Posted May 18, 2018 Share Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/9/2018 at 5:34 PM, The Golem said: Seeing the Mengil's Manflayers have Executioners swords and a protection bonus against ranged attacks, I think they would probably cost a little more points than the Shades. Weren't Shades 100 points for 5 models. That's more expensive than Executioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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