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48 minutes ago, Tiger said:

Whose profiles have been integrated into an army with the new line of miniatures?

Well there are the Sylvaneths: the dryads and the treelords already existed before they added the revenants, the kurnoth hunters and Alarielle.

Same for the ardboys when they were integrated into the Ironjaws.

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Except the included units for the Ironjaws, Sylvaneth and Daughters of Khaine are very dynamic and suitable for AoS. Aside from the big units like the Phoenix and Gryphons, the high elf units are very static and regimented. Which was really cool when they were representing blocks of highly disciplined elf warriors moving in unison, but it looks like, based on the Mistweaver Saih, that they want a completely different aesthetic. I am hard pressed to think of any model from the high elf range that would fit what I think they will go for in the Idoneth Deepkin army.

Likewise, I doubt they will incorporate the dark aelf sea raiders into a high aelf army, as we already have a lot of narrative involving their role in Anvilgard and the capture of powerful beasts for thier allies. Note that the Daughters of Khaine were specifically left out of Anvilgard allegiance.

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I would be very surprised if the current scourge privateers don't get rolled into them. At least the Kharibdyss, as it is literally a sea monster. Though GW does tend to make all versions of a kit part of the same army, so hydra?

Personally, if there are turtles, I'm sold, love me some chelonians - the shells alone will be a joy to paint.

I do hope they are a capricious, unpredictable force, more akin to the evil nature of wood elves. The fact they attacked DoK forces in the fluff is a good sign. Don't like me any goody two shoes.

Also, the rumour engine post with what looks like a squid/octopus ear flap/hole, that is one to watch for.

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3 hours ago, Soulsmith said:

I would be very surprised if the current scourge privateers don't get rolled into them. At least the Kharibdyss, as it is literally a sea monster. Though GW does tend to make all versions of a kit part of the same army, so hydra?

Just thought I'd point out (as I was thinking about how strange it was recently) that the doom fire warlocks are a mixed kit with dark riders, who aren't daughters for khaine. So, there's a precedent there. 

As much as I like the scourge privateer aesthetic though from what little I've heard about the deepkin they don't seem in keeping 

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I hope Scourge Privateers are incorporated, but I don't think they will at all. I don't think Mistweaver will be in there either, just because of the talk of the aesthetic rumours, turtle riding aelves. Just doesn't seem to fit. 

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I think the biggest argument of all regarding privateers being a different faction is that they are a separate ally option next to deepkin. 

Also on a subjective note:  the lore suggest they are one of the attempted and abandoned elf recreations of telcos and Tyrion. So that could still work but to me that feels more like release without any ties to the old world except their ‘creators’

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2 hours ago, Blueraven84 said:

If there is no preview this weekend, I will start mutiny on the ship!

While they may be in the newest book, gw seems a bit busy right now with other things like the 40k releases and the dread solstice. I would say maybe 3-5 months from now?

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A few of my thoughts:

I do not believe that Scourge Privateeers will be rolled in. I base this on two things: One, the fact that we have seen that they are still a seperate faction in the list of allies for Daughters of Khaine so it is clearly not just a rework of this faction. Two, when we do get re-worked factions (Sylvaneth, Beastclaws, etc) they retain the name they had at the beginning of AoS and are just expanded and built upon to become a new thing, so an entirely new name (Kharadron Overlords for eg) indicates an entirely new thing created for AoS.

In terms of release date there has been rumours indicating two Aelf factions in February - April, of which the Deepkin are the second - I would hope that we would get somekind of preview this weekend, but it is possible that we will see previews at Adepticon (March 22 - 25). Either way I think releases over the next month or so will be a couple of 40K codexes (Tau followed by Necrons based on the new White Dwarf and its hint along with previous announcements) and perhaps some Forgeworld / Specialist Games releases, with Deepkin in early mid April.

I am looking forwards to this release! I was just re-reading the old 4th Edition High Elf book and thinking about how evocative a lot of this early writing was, and how a lot of the early history has such strong potential for integrating with the overall AoS aesthetic. Also... turtles... how cool are they? Like the attached please thank you

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We have already one very hazy sneak peek from GW, remember: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/02/16/glub-glubgw-homepage-post-3/ My guess is that the ship is part of a base of the centerpiece model for the Deepkin release. Maybe something akin to the merwyrm, or something completely different.

 

This faction would be  perfect place for GW to give  little nod to the old timers by actually having some Fishmen in it. Would fit well with their other doings lately with the Necromunda Squat and Beastman etc.

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I'm game for either. Or both. I think the fishmen codex is legit being teased as the next destruction/chaos tome and everyone thinks its a joke. We seen an Idoneth though and they still look pretty humanoid but with fish like features. Not to mention the rumors say greek/spartan influence meets Atlantis. Where as if you look at fishmen they clearly look like from the ground up fish... men ie very monstrous. I don't think fishmen is the next tomb coming out just that it will be the next destruction. 

 

That is not a base but terrain to be sold with the Deepkin or so the rumor chatter says. 

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My thinking behind the fishmen was that there could very well be a unit of fishmen as part of the Idoneth faction. Unit of monstrous infantry with tridents or something along that way. I don't believe for a full faction. Especially as Mantic already has them covered: http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/trident-realm-of-neritica.html

 

Edit: And to talk about the existing models in this theme, I would say that this is the benchmark, for which at least I will compare the final product: http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/store_mierceminiatures/images_product/mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_mbs_852_000_01_large.png 

It's one of my favourite miniatures ever and if the Deepkin are on the same level, I might have to open my wallet.

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36 minutes ago, Jamopower said:

My thinking behind the fishmen was that there could very well be a unit of fishmen as part of the Idoneth faction. Unit of monstrous infantry with tridents or something along that way. I don't believe for a full faction. Especially as Mantic already has them covered: http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/kings-of-war/trident-realm-of-neritica.html

 

Edit: And to talk about the existing models in this theme, I would say that this is the benchmark, for which at least I will compare the final product: http://www.mierce-miniatures.com/store_mierceminiatures/images_product/mrm_dkl_fmr_blr_mbs_852_000_01_large.png 

It's one of my favourite miniatures ever and if the Deepkin are on the same level, I might have to open my wallet.

I can already tell your going to be disappointed going in with standards like that. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/mistweaver-saih She is said to be part of the faction. They are ultimately still elven faction. Expecting them to not look anything elven like would be weird. Like I said keep hoping for fishmen which look more up your alley. 

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I know that they are elves (which is the main reason why I'm interested in the first place), but still they are bound to have a big centerpiece model. This is Age of Sigmar and GW we are talking and there hasn't been many new releases without a house-sized model in them in few years. So a merwyrm, a sea dragon or Kraken or somethig even more bizarre would definitely fit in.

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2 hours ago, CDM said:

I hope that if they do a fishmen army that it would be tied to destruction. 

Orruks,grots,Gargants, ogors, trogoths,fimir,fishmen! That's a nice round up!!

Sadly they will not. They're in the Allies section of DoK and we've never seen alliance outside allegiance until now (but it would be a nice idea).

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2 hours ago, CDM said:

I hope that if they do a fishmen army that it would be tied to destruction. 

Orruks,grots,Gargants, ogors, trogoths,fimir,fishmen! That's a nice round up!!

it is already confirmed that the Deepkin WONT be Scourge Privateers and will be order for sure.

They ally together with thea dark aelven factions, but we do not know for sure if they are also able to ally the other aelven factions.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the dark elf factions splinter out of the Order grouping in the future. The only thing that really  ties them too it are that the are aelves and can ally with Stormcast. Otherwise the Dark Elf based factions could easily slip into one of the other power groups in the future. 

 

As for merfolk there's a lot of ways GW could do them as a theme, from serpent people through to bipedal merfolk, to cuthulu inspired tentacle people etc... The could even take a crustation approach and have crab/lobster type people. If GW wanted to be really fancy they could even use inspiration from very deepsea dwelling marine life which is very alien and strange looking and would leave them a lot of choice to be a bit more diverse in the design. 

That said I fully expect to see tridents and harpoons aplenty.

 

Right now though all we've got is a video of a cracked open ship in a tank and the name in the DoK book, very little to really go on at all and not even any semblance of a time-scale for release (Although GW being what it is right now I'd not expect them to leave it very long - esp since I'm sure the 3rdparty companies are already casting up designs for their own merfolk factions. I can see Raging Heroes striking out to make their own designs even without GW releasing anything. 

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2 hours ago, Kaleun said:

it is already confirmed that the Deepkin WONT be Scourge Privateers and will be order for sure.

They ally together with thea dark aelven factions, but we do not know for sure if they are also able to ally the other aelven factions.

Yes I'm of the assumption deep kin are an Aelven faction not a fishmen force. 

They may well have troops that are fishmen though I suppose but I would prefer a fishmen army to be destruction 

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