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Malign Portents

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10 minutes ago, Goodapollo4 said:

Heralds have Prophesy Points, some kind of currency they can spend on boons or curses (rain of skulls or something as an example)

This sounds like they have used the Command Points / Stratagems mechanic from 40k for this. I hope we will see a deck of Prophesy cards!

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10 minutes ago, Goodapollo4 said:

From what I saw there wasn't a whole lot of NEW information, lots of lore and fleshing out stuff.


That's the part I'm interested about, any extra info?

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31 minutes ago, Goodapollo4 said:

From what I saw there wasn't a whole lot of NEW information, lots of lore and fleshing out stuff.

Hot takes:

  • Heralds have Prophesy Points, some kind of currency they can spend on boons or curses (rain of skulls or something as an example)
  • Vandus plays a critical role in MP
  • New AOS factions will be revealed soon (tm)
  • Realms of Light and Shadow do not play a large role in MP

If you read All-Gates its pretty clear vandus is going to become the Lord Commander, plus one of the rumor engine pics was the symbol of the Lord Commander in the storm cast battletome (newest one)

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38 minutes ago, Ar-Pharazôn said:

Any hints on what new factions?

Darkoath for sure..

Aelves? Ph. K. ".. no comments.."

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They also stated that Heralds are not unique characters and thus should be eligible for traits/artifacts. Also any faction inside each grand alliance should be able to use herald (though this was probably obvious to everyone).

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I wonder how the heralds will integrate into Matched Play.

I've noticed a number of new Daughters of Khaine armies started on the internet recently....I wonder if the new faction is  aelves and has something to do with them?

Tin foil hat time!

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8 hours ago, EMMachine said:

Besides this part if it is a Stormcast Eternal at the end or not, I found one thing interesting.

We have a member of the Freeguild Guard, with a repeater crossbow (if that wasn't a translati made by duardin (a weapon that was used by aelfs only before), praying to Alarielle.

We only had Free Guild Guard with normal Crossbows and I wrote some own storyparts with humans worshipping to Alarielle, actually not thinking that it would be actual background (Character descriptions of the Blazenhearts 1 Yelena Stormheart ).

I wouldn't read too much into the Repeater Crossbow. There's actually one on the Freeguild Crossbowmen sprue (Assumably meant for the Marksman model).

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13 hours ago, Ar-Pharazôn said:

Any hints on what new factions?

I believe (if memory serves) that he was talking about Death, however it was a very general "new factions coming soon" type of comment.

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2 minutes ago, skool said:

Where did that pamphlet come from? Any more close ups?

They will be handing them out in GW stores the Saturday. I got one last night as well, but the store manager said that he really shouldn't be handing them out yet. 

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3 minutes ago, Teuchter said:

They will be handing them out in GW stores the Saturday. I got one last night as well, but the store manager said that he really shouldn't be handing them out yet. 

Cool!  Struggling to work out Month 3 from the pic (and likely the forum compressing it).

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On 1/1/2018 at 1:45 PM, S133arcanite said:

 

12 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:

Cool!  Struggling to work out Month 3 from the pic (and likely the forum compressing it).

I dont have it on me as I am at work, however it is something along the lines of add some relevant units to part one and two. I will take a picture when I am home later for clarity if someone else hasn't already. 

I ended up getting sucked right into it. I bought a start collecting Skeleton Horde last night, even though I have the Death Battleforce box still un-opened!

 

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A little tangent here, sorry, just one small thing about the Stormcast being "good" or not...

I only play Warhammer since AoS so I don't know if we know anything more about that Sigmar guy other than what is in the AoS lore, but... is he really a "good" guy? I mean: He does fight Chaos and protect humans and so on, but so do others. He loves order obviously, and the SCE are his forces, but... is that really "good"?

For me Order =/= Good. There are incredibly evil guys in the Order faction, and if you think about it: Every dictator loves order. Pulling a Godwin now, I know, but German National Socialists of the 1930s and 1940s (the forum doesn't like the abbreviation it seems) were paragons of order, and I guess we wouldn't call them "the good guys" I guess. The Empire in Star Wars? Order obviously.


That's also something odd about the lore in Warhammer that - for me - becomes obvious in Malign Portents: It almost seems as if Chaos and Destruction are fighting alongside Order against Death. This is not Game of Thrones where it is obvious that as long as you breathing you are allied because you are against Death. I see Sigmar's problem with Nagash (he caused it by stealing the SCE souls from Nagash) but Alarielle for example? If anybody should understand that death is a part of life it should be the plant guys!?'
Also Seraphon: Why should they care? It seems they are safe in Azyr and they don't die anyway? Isn't fighting Chaos the priority?
Also why should Khorne care if everyone dies as long as they die brutally?
I don't really get it. In my book Death (ok undeath to a much lesser degree) is something that is a lot closer to Order than to Chaos so I am surprised the Alliance isn't Death+Order against the rest....
 

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7 minutes ago, Aginor said:


I don't really get it. In my book Death (ok undeath to a much lesser degree) is something that is a lot closer to Order than to Chaos so I am surprised the Alliance isn't Death+Order against the rest....
 

It's not that Order and Chaos are allied, it's more that Nagash want's to fight everyone at once!

Remember the original alliance was Death + Order (and Destruction) vs Chaos, until Nagash got all betrayery

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Back in dim mists of WFRP they went into the spectrum of the pantheon which had the Chaos Gods on one end and the gods of Law or the other. Chaos represents violent unpredictable and unending change and Law is permanence and unchanging. The Gods of Law were not nice fellows, one wanted to effectively stop time so nothing ever changed. 

Nagash for me is an aspect of these old style Gods of Law in that he wants everything in an unchanging undead state. One which is against what the Forces of Destruction, Chaos and Order are about.  With all things Warhammer it’s more complicating than that but if Death is going to ruin all your plans you’re going to have to stop them probably hoping everyone else gets weakened enough for you to take them out in the end 

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6 minutes ago, Ollie Grimwood said:

Back in dim mists of WFRP they went into the spectrum of the pantheon which had the Chaos Gods on one end and the gods of Law or the other. Chaos represents violent unpredictable and unending change and Law is permanence and unchanging. The Gods of Law were not nice fellows, one wanted to effectively stop time so nothing ever changed. 

Nagash for me is an aspect of these old style Gods of Law ok that he wants everything in an unchanging undead state. One which is against what the Forces of Destruction, Chaos and Order are about.  With all things Warhammer it’s more complicating than that but if Death is going to ruin all your plans you’re going to have to stop them probably hoping everyone else gets weakened enough for you to take them out in the end 

Ok that sounds pretty convincing actually. Thanks!

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Jeah but I also have to agree that I very often see parallels between Aryans and Stormcast. Sigmar only selects the best and perfect as his Stormcast. He does not allow Corruption. There are many similarities between Stormcast and the NS Regime. Trust me, I am german. I know my stuff. :-P

So I would agree that Stormcast don't seem to be the overall good guys. 

On the other hand I have a question.  I know Chaos is always about corruption but are there examples of Chaos soldiers or monsters who show some empathy or dignity? I have never read into Chaos that much. But for me Chaos was always the incarnation of evil. On the other hand I don't know if they also live "normal lifes" or have families etc.? Most of the time I think about Chaos as humans twisted and corrupted to their core, so that there is no humanity left in them.

But is this correct? Or are there examples of Chaos soldiers who  are "nice guys" ?

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12 minutes ago, Infeston said:

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On the other hand I have a question.  I know Chaos is always about corruption but are there examples of Chaos soldiers or monsters who show some empathy or dignity? I have never read into Chaos that much. But for me Chaos was always the incarnation of evil. On the other hand I don't know if they also live "normal lifes" or have families etc.? Most of the time I think about Chaos as humans twisted and corrupted to their core, so that there is no humanity left in them.

But is this correct? Or are there examples of Chaos soldiers who  are "nice guys" ?

Well, no. It's Chaos. Evilest of evil. 

But some Chaos guys have a twisted sense of honor, or humor, or can show interest in their fellows (mainly all-loving Nurgle), or honorable Khorne warriors. On that trend we have the Order of the fly, an army of Nurgle knights still.... kind of honorable. 

Also, the Nurgle lord Torglug was redeemed by the Celestant-Prime, showing that people can be corrupted but entirely.

EDIT : but that's kind of off-topic ;) 

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3 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said:

So, Harbingers out in February (?) !

It sure sounded like it. On Twitch yesterday I'm sure I heard him say on February 10 part 2 would be announced and it would be the Harbingers. So I would guess that as the pre order date.

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Regarding which faction is "good" or not, it is really important to keep in mind that life is full of grey, not just black and white.  So while the Stormcast are overall "good" and try to clear the Realms of evil so people can live, they differ in their methods.  Also, it's all perception!  What is good for one person is not to another!  For example, in the story, the Freeguilder's village is being cleansed of taint, even those who are not infected.  Of course, it is unyielding and complete and definitely not perceived well by the victims.  However, a neighboring village may be extremely relieved that the Stormcast cleansed the village and they do not have to worry about corruption. 

These stories are highlighting the simple fact we all experience in our own lives, that good/evil are matters of perspective.  Even good people do bad things and bad people can do good things.  Again, many of the Black Library books show these sides of the free cities, but this may be the first view some people have seen.

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Mask-wearing zombie-man breaks into my rural house and slaughters my family with a hammer like an 80s horror movie villain. 

"There are grey areas, its not clear who the bad guys are".

Errrrm, its very clear who the bad guys are. 

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9 minutes ago, Sheriff said:

Mask-wearing zombie-man breaks into my rural house and slaughters my family with a hammer like an 80s horror movie villain. 

"There are grey areas, its not clear who the bad guys are".

Errrrm, its very clear who the bag guys are. 

The kid spreading nurgle's rot to his village?

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