RuneBrush Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, Teuchter said: They will be handing them out in GW stores the Saturday. I got one last night as well, but the store manager said that he really shouldn't be handing them out yet. Cool! Struggling to work out Month 3 from the pic (and likely the forum compressing it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teuchter Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 1:45 PM, S133arcanite said: 12 minutes ago, RuneBrush said: Cool! Struggling to work out Month 3 from the pic (and likely the forum compressing it). I dont have it on me as I am at work, however it is something along the lines of add some relevant units to part one and two. I will take a picture when I am home later for clarity if someone else hasn't already. I ended up getting sucked right into it. I bought a start collecting Skeleton Horde last night, even though I have the Death Battleforce box still un-opened! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 A little tangent here, sorry, just one small thing about the Stormcast being "good" or not... I only play Warhammer since AoS so I don't know if we know anything more about that Sigmar guy other than what is in the AoS lore, but... is he really a "good" guy? I mean: He does fight Chaos and protect humans and so on, but so do others. He loves order obviously, and the SCE are his forces, but... is that really "good"? For me Order =/= Good. There are incredibly evil guys in the Order faction, and if you think about it: Every dictator loves order. Pulling a Godwin now, I know, but German National Socialists of the 1930s and 1940s (the forum doesn't like the abbreviation it seems) were paragons of order, and I guess we wouldn't call them "the good guys" I guess. The Empire in Star Wars? Order obviously. That's also something odd about the lore in Warhammer that - for me - becomes obvious in Malign Portents: It almost seems as if Chaos and Destruction are fighting alongside Order against Death. This is not Game of Thrones where it is obvious that as long as you breathing you are allied because you are against Death. I see Sigmar's problem with Nagash (he caused it by stealing the SCE souls from Nagash) but Alarielle for example? If anybody should understand that death is a part of life it should be the plant guys!?' Also Seraphon: Why should they care? It seems they are safe in Azyr and they don't die anyway? Isn't fighting Chaos the priority? Also why should Khorne care if everyone dies as long as they die brutally? I don't really get it. In my book Death (ok undeath to a much lesser degree) is something that is a lot closer to Order than to Chaos so I am surprised the Alliance isn't Death+Order against the rest.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamR Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, Aginor said: I don't really get it. In my book Death (ok undeath to a much lesser degree) is something that is a lot closer to Order than to Chaos so I am surprised the Alliance isn't Death+Order against the rest.... It's not that Order and Chaos are allied, it's more that Nagash want's to fight everyone at once! Remember the original alliance was Death + Order (and Destruction) vs Chaos, until Nagash got all betrayery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Back in dim mists of WFRP they went into the spectrum of the pantheon which had the Chaos Gods on one end and the gods of Law or the other. Chaos represents violent unpredictable and unending change and Law is permanence and unchanging. The Gods of Law were not nice fellows, one wanted to effectively stop time so nothing ever changed. Nagash for me is an aspect of these old style Gods of Law in that he wants everything in an unchanging undead state. One which is against what the Forces of Destruction, Chaos and Order are about. With all things Warhammer it’s more complicating than that but if Death is going to ruin all your plans you’re going to have to stop them probably hoping everyone else gets weakened enough for you to take them out in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Ollie Grimwood said: Back in dim mists of WFRP they went into the spectrum of the pantheon which had the Chaos Gods on one end and the gods of Law or the other. Chaos represents violent unpredictable and unending change and Law is permanence and unchanging. The Gods of Law were not nice fellows, one wanted to effectively stop time so nothing ever changed. Nagash for me is an aspect of these old style Gods of Law ok that he wants everything in an unchanging undead state. One which is against what the Forces of Destruction, Chaos and Order are about. With all things Warhammer it’s more complicating than that but if Death is going to ruin all your plans you’re going to have to stop them probably hoping everyone else gets weakened enough for you to take them out in the end Ok that sounds pretty convincing actually. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infeston Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Jeah but I also have to agree that I very often see parallels between Aryans and Stormcast. Sigmar only selects the best and perfect as his Stormcast. He does not allow Corruption. There are many similarities between Stormcast and the NS Regime. Trust me, I am german. I know my stuff. :-P So I would agree that Stormcast don't seem to be the overall good guys. On the other hand I have a question. I know Chaos is always about corruption but are there examples of Chaos soldiers or monsters who show some empathy or dignity? I have never read into Chaos that much. But for me Chaos was always the incarnation of evil. On the other hand I don't know if they also live "normal lifes" or have families etc.? Most of the time I think about Chaos as humans twisted and corrupted to their core, so that there is no humanity left in them. But is this correct? Or are there examples of Chaos soldiers who are "nice guys" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 12 minutes ago, Infeston said: (...) On the other hand I have a question. I know Chaos is always about corruption but are there examples of Chaos soldiers or monsters who show some empathy or dignity? I have never read into Chaos that much. But for me Chaos was always the incarnation of evil. On the other hand I don't know if they also live "normal lifes" or have families etc.? Most of the time I think about Chaos as humans twisted and corrupted to their core, so that there is no humanity left in them. But is this correct? Or are there examples of Chaos soldiers who are "nice guys" ? Well, no. It's Chaos. Evilest of evil. But some Chaos guys have a twisted sense of honor, or humor, or can show interest in their fellows (mainly all-loving Nurgle), or honorable Khorne warriors. On that trend we have the Order of the fly, an army of Nurgle knights still.... kind of honorable. Also, the Nurgle lord Torglug was redeemed by the Celestant-Prime, showing that people can be corrupted but entirely. EDIT : but that's kind of off-topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandano Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 hours ago, HorticulusTGA said: So, Harbingers out in February (?) ! It sure sounded like it. On Twitch yesterday I'm sure I heard him say on February 10 part 2 would be announced and it would be the Harbingers. So I would guess that as the pre order date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FractalRain Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Regarding which faction is "good" or not, it is really important to keep in mind that life is full of grey, not just black and white. So while the Stormcast are overall "good" and try to clear the Realms of evil so people can live, they differ in their methods. Also, it's all perception! What is good for one person is not to another! For example, in the story, the Freeguilder's village is being cleansed of taint, even those who are not infected. Of course, it is unyielding and complete and definitely not perceived well by the victims. However, a neighboring village may be extremely relieved that the Stormcast cleansed the village and they do not have to worry about corruption. These stories are highlighting the simple fact we all experience in our own lives, that good/evil are matters of perspective. Even good people do bad things and bad people can do good things. Again, many of the Black Library books show these sides of the free cities, but this may be the first view some people have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Mask-wearing zombie-man breaks into my rural house and slaughters my family with a hammer like an 80s horror movie villain. "There are grey areas, its not clear who the bad guys are". Errrrm, its very clear who the bad guys are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sheriff said: Mask-wearing zombie-man breaks into my rural house and slaughters my family with a hammer like an 80s horror movie villain. "There are grey areas, its not clear who the bad guys are". Errrrm, its very clear who the bag guys are. The kid spreading nurgle's rot to his village? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillagoreFaceslasha Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, BURF1 said: The kid spreading nurgle's rot to his village? No, Morathi. Time and time again she's proven to be the responsible of all the mess-ups that happened int he warhammer world. And you can't bet that the events of the mortal realms are no different! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar-Pharazôn Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Regarding these Order discussions, my brother has made the argument that you could create a Nature Grand Alliance, headed by Sylvaneth, which makes sense to me. Reading about many Sylvaneth, especially Drycha, it makes you question how long they'll stay tied to Sigmar's Great Crusade war against Chaos. Nature is ultimately Neutral or Chaotic Neutral, and as seen in the Realm of Life, is all about the cycle of life, preserving and growing nature. That will inevitably conflict with Sigmar building all these cities and population growth, so how long until the Sylvaneth become the Wood Elves of old and simply hate everyone? What if... an Order faction was the villain? Obviously unrelated the the Malign Portents directly, but if we are talking about the Grand Alliances, thought I'd mention this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeled Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 32 minutes ago, Ar-Pharazôn said: Regarding these Order discussions, my brother has made the argument that you could create a Nature Grand Alliance, headed by Sylvaneth, which makes sense to me. Reading about many Sylvaneth, especially Drycha, it makes you question how long they'll stay tied to Sigmar's Great Crusade war against Chaos. Nature is ultimately Neutral or Chaotic Neutral, and as seen in the Realm of Life, is all about the cycle of life, preserving and growing nature. That will inevitably conflict with Sigmar building all these cities and population growth, so how long until the Sylvaneth become the Wood Elves of old and simply hate everyone? What if... an Order faction was the villain? Obviously unrelated the the Malign Portents directly, but if we are talking about the Grand Alliances, thought I'd mention this. My group has discussed how they could use the narrative to split Order into three divided alliances: Order - Stormcast and Seraphon, committed to the war against chaos, oppressive in their dogmatic zeal. Freedom/Liberty - Freepeoples and other humans, Duardin, and Fallen/Outcast Stormcast - Those who value individual freedom and safety over the oppressive nature of pure Order. Fey - Sylvaneth and Aelves, magical races and forces of nature. It really is the same argument regarding what your brother said, but add to that an "Order gone crazy" vibe against which people want to resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 17 minutes ago, Yeled said: My group has discussed how they could use the narrative to split Order into three divided alliances: Order - Stormcast and Seraphon, committed to the war against chaos, oppressive in their dogmatic zeal. Freedom/Liberty - Freepeoples and other humans, Duardin, and Fallen/Outcast Stormcast - Those who value individual freedom and safety over the oppressive nature of pure Order. Fey - Sylvaneth and Aelves, magical races and forces of nature. It really is the same argument regarding what your brother said, but add to that an "Order gone crazy" vibe against which people want to resist. It is pretty interesting how the grand alliance shake up really. Order is WILDLY different between it's factions, Chaos basically breaks down into 'Chaos' and 'Skaven', Death is just one big army, and destruction is a sort of coalition between factions that just seem like they SHOULD go together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ar-Pharazôn Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, BURF1 said: It is pretty interesting how the grand alliance shake up really. Order is WILDLY different between it's factions, Chaos basically breaks down into 'Chaos' and 'Skaven', Death is just one big army, and destruction is a sort of coalition between factions that just seem like they SHOULD go together. I can almost see a narrative path by which eventually the Grand Alliances as they are sort of break into a Realm by Realm basis, or simply a Keyword basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmir Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 New video... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechaBriZilla Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 hour ago, FractalRain said: Regarding which faction is "good" or not, it is really important to keep in mind that life is full of grey, not just black and white. So while the Stormcast are overall "good" and try to clear the Realms of evil so people can live, they differ in their methods. Also, it's all perception! What is good for one person is not to another! For example, in the story, the Freeguilder's village is being cleansed of taint, even those who are not infected. Of course, it is unyielding and complete and definitely not perceived well by the victims. However, a neighboring village may be extremely relieved that the Stormcast cleansed the village and they do not have to worry about corruption. These stories are highlighting the simple fact we all experience in our own lives, that good/evil are matters of perspective. Even good people do bad things and bad people can do good things. Again, many of the Black Library books show these sides of the free cities, but this may be the first view some people have seen. *Forewarning! I'm about to get philosophical. Actually, one of the consistent things about the worlds GW creates, is that Good and Evil aren't part of the equation in a large sense. The dichotomy they explore is Order v. Chaos. Now in AoS it's a bit expanded. We have Order v. Chaos v. Destruction v. Death.... However, if you think about it, Destruction is still an aspect of Chaos, and Death the ultimate expression of Order. So really we are still looking at Order v. Chaos ultimately. Good and Evil, in GW games, is always a matter of the perspective of the specific characters, and is largely defined within their relationship to Order or Chaos. As people, we have our own views, and they tend towards lining up with Order, to one degree or another. But as others have pointed out, Order can absolutely go to far, and become what most of us would consider Evil... Ultimately, we need all four of the forces in AoS, none of them are Good or Evil in of themselves. They are impersonal. But if anyone of them fell away, or gained too much power, I think most of us would agree it would be bad. I personally believe, in terms of GW games, the only 'Good' would be someone capable of sitting at the center of these forces, keeping them in balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Cool video ! Didn't expect to see Elias back ! So. The female voice. Obvious choice is either Neferata, talking about Vampires (her children) : maybe new models coming in the Legions of Nagash Battletome that has mixed Death Allegiance abilities AND Soulblight (even if this AA was already in the GHB2017).. Other possibility : Morathi. The languorous voice, the apparent knowledge of the doings of the gods, the warning of suffering if she caught Elias... And of course the rumored Aleves for April-May and the Witch aleves looking rumor engines ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURF1 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said: Cool video ! Didn't expect to see Elias back ! So. The female voice. Obvious choice is either Neferata, talking about Vampires (her children) : maybe new models coming in the Legions of Nagash Battletome that has mixed Death Allegiance abilities AND Soulblight (even if this AA was already in the GHB2017).. Other possibility : Morathi. The languorous voice, the apparent knowledge of the doings of the gods, the warning of suffering if she caught Elias... And of course the rumored Aleves for April-May and the Witch aleves looking rumor engines ! I gotta say man, as disappointed as I was in the end of the countdown timer, these videos are freaking awesome. This is how you get people hyped on the lore side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddles Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 15 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said: Cool video ! Didn't expect to see Elias back ! So. The female voice. Obvious choice is either Neferata, talking about Vampires (her children) : maybe new models coming in the Legions of Nagash Battletome that has mixed Death Allegiance abilities AND Soulblight (even if this AA was already in the GHB2017).. Other possibility : Morathi. The languorous voice, the apparent knowledge of the doings of the gods, the warning of suffering if she caught Elias... And of course the rumored Aleves for April-May and the Witch aleves looking rumor engines ! Who's elias? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorticulusTGA Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Just now, Riddles said: Who's elias? The guy in the videos... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riddles Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 1 minute ago, HorticulusTGA said: The guy in the videos... Oh i didn't realise that they named him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Taylor Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Kinda hope we get a model of him. Even just a resin one off. Doesn't need rules just a cool watcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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