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Deathmaster Snikch

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Just wanted to see if I'd missed something. Big Skaven player but unfortunately a mono Pestilens or Skryre list is never gonna be my style even with allies, which is cool, I'll still be looking to play mixed Skaven 

 

I did see however that Pestilens and Skryre allegiance Skaven now get +2 bravery for every 10 models instead of +1 which is really fluffy and fits them really well lore wise. Considering we've lost the banner I think it's also necessary for battleshock reasons but my understanding is this is only for Skryre and Pestilens not all Skaven? So clanrats, Stormvermin, Nightrunners etc 

Anyone know something I don't as it would make sense and without it we're not really viable as an army anymore. Surprised it's not something they've addressed. The biggest push for AoS seems to be stormfiends and I don't really like them which is why I'd never do Skryre and the rest of the army is in need of an update models wise. All metal and quite dated (I've converted my own Jezzails and acolytes)

 

Side note while I think it's cool the book has shaken things up im extremely disappointed in the legacy characters and their warscrolls being completely removed. I really wanted to do a Clan Mors verminus themed army next after the total war trailer and wanted to use Queek. Such a shame 

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32 minutes ago, Double Misfire said:

Rats with no sense of smell and rats with machine guns are far less likely to run at the sight of danger than rats without either of these things. Pretty sure I read this in National Geographic.

LIES!! LIES!!!

It was Rat & Mouse Magazine.

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On 8/28/2017 at 8:18 AM, Deathmaster Snikch said:

Hey 

 

Just wanted to see if I'd missed something. Big Skaven player but unfortunately a mono Pestilens or Skryre list is never gonna be my style even with allies, which is cool, I'll still be looking to play mixed Skaven 

 

I did see however that Pestilens and Skryre allegiance Skaven now get +2 bravery for every 10 models instead of +1 which is really fluffy and fits them really well lore wise. Considering we've lost the banner I think it's also necessary for battleshock reasons but my understanding is this is only for Skryre and Pestilens not all Skaven? So clanrats, Stormvermin, Nightrunners etc 

Anyone know something I don't as it would make sense and without it we're not really viable as an army anymore. Surprised it's not something they've addressed. The biggest push for AoS seems to be stormfiends and I don't really like them which is why I'd never do Skryre and the rest of the army is in need of an update models wise. All metal and quite dated (I've converted my own Jezzails and acolytes)

 

Side note while I think it's cool the book has shaken things up im extremely disappointed in the legacy characters and their warscrolls being completely removed. I really wanted to do a Clan Mors verminus themed army next after the total war trailer and wanted to use Queek. Such a shame 

Yeah, it's just those two allegiances for now, Pestilens and Skyre.  I suspect as other allegiances get rules, they'll probably have that rule too, although note that it comes down to an allegiance ability.  Plague Monks and Acolytes are going to be as cowardly as any rat if they're not in a Pestilence or Skyre army, respectively.  Also, I'd assume that even once, say, Clan Verminis gets rules and assumining they probably will get that rule, it won't help clan-rats that are part of a grand allegiance chaos army (which is what a truly mixed skaven army would be, at this point), they'll be just as cowardly as they are now.

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1 hour ago, Naflem said:

Yeah, it's just those two allegiances for now, Pestilens and Skyre.  I suspect as other allegiances get rules, they'll probably have that rule too, although note that it comes down to an allegiance ability.  Plague Monks and Acolytes are going to be as cowardly as any rat if they're not in a Pestilence or Skyre army, respectively.  Also, I'd assume that even once, say, Clan Verminis gets rules and assumining they probably will get that rule, it won't help clan-rats that are part of a grand allegiance chaos army (which is what a truly mixed skaven army would be, at this point), they'll be just as cowardly as they are now.

They did heavily hint in the live stream that armies that did not get alleigence, some are up for a battletome.

I am hoping for verminus and deathrattle.

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I couldn't agree more with this thread - thanks for saying exactly what I've been thinking!

Personally I feel it really sucks that Skaven got split into so many mini factions, whereas other armies (Seraphon for example) were left together. For people like myself who have an old WFB Skaven army, it basically means my army is no longer playable (outside of open/non-competitive play).

I was really hoping for a Disciples of the Horned Rat Battletome, bringing all the Skaven back under one banner, but having seen the GHB2, I now feel this is very unlikely.

p.s sorry if this post is negative, please don't ban me, here's a smiley :)

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We really need a general Skaven allegiance in addition to the individual clan ones, I think if their only allegiance abilities was the bravery one that would nicely balance the wider selection of a General allegiance list against specialised clan lists. The only real change necessary for this would be giving Masterclan Verminlords the Skaven keyword so they could actually lead a combined Skaven force as general (other skaven units without the keyword could still be allied in).

While a good idea and by now a central part of AoS, in the end the allegiance system was taked onto the games haphazard keywording after the initial release and developement and it still shows in many places, where it results in great inflexibility and oddities. Sadly, this is not helped by GW tending towards restrictions and small changes, leaving AoS at times rather labyrinthine and contradictory compared to the openess and flexibility archieved with the faction keyword and detachment system of wh40k 8th edition.

The difficulty of making a greater skaven army without sacrificing to much of what you can with a more specialised force is just another result of this unstructured developement.

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On 8/30/2017 at 8:06 PM, Deathmaster Snikch said:

I kind of feel clanrats should be battleline in every clan since all the clans have them 

 

Masterclan should be all Skaven clans  imo, that way you can have an actual Skaven army instead of mixed chaos 

Wow this is a really good idea. Release a masterclan battletome with appropriately balanced artefacts and traits etc and allow all skaven units under the allegiance masterclan! Its simple and elegant. You are a smart cookie my friend. 

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On 8/31/2017 at 6:49 AM, pforson said:

 For people like myself who have an old WFB Skaven army, it basically means my army is no longer playable (outside of open/non-competitive play).

I feel the same. I have an 8th edition army and its hard to put something together because im basically just trying to make my 8th ed army fit into a 2k point list. I feel like i have something i made work but isnt quite aos due to it being "mixed chaos" although pure skaven. It almost doesnt make sense. 

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