shadowgra Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 will varanguard maybe start to become a thing? i mean, if they get their warscroll changed (hopefully) or they do get a good reduction in points they could become useful. they fill a specific role, the high damage cavalry, which isn't too much explored in chaos (and in general). now that they don't break allegiance there can be more of a point to pick them, also because archaon (little) can be still included in every chaos god list and make them hit at +1 and change their keyword, in order to benefit from buffs. the increasing in magic lores and such can make their shield more useful than at the start of the gh1. and of course they are awesome ^^ example: no warscroll change but they are 300 points for 3. would u pick them up or just pass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie Grimwood Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 I'd like to see them at around 240pts. I'd also like to see an accompanying drop for Archaon. I'm quietly hopeful after seeing the drop in the Deathlords' points. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 They could be interesting, but the point drop has to be significant. Otherwise they will still be too expensive, like 95% of the cavalry out there. The models are gorgeous though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlemania Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Id say big YES for that! That unit is waaaay overpriced, same as (big) Archaon. 280 pts for them would be enough. Wysłane z iPhone za pomocą Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Didn't think archaon on horse worked with varanguard. As it's archaon. not archaon, the everchosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tizianolol Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Varanguards are the unit we need if they change point cost and if you can chose gods keyword without archaon, like warriors of chaos or Knights!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roark Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'd field them if they were 280pts and able to be properly marked. Until then, they are just gonna be fielded as Chaos Lords on Daemonic Mount to lead my similarly-overcosted Chaos Knights haha... Poor cavalry. Poor poor cavalry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOtherJosh Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Didn't think archaon on horse worked with varanguard. As it's archaon. not archaon, the everchosen That looks right.The Varanguard ability to be keyworded requires Archaon. The ability on the Varanguard isn't In keyword bold for the name Archaon. So it is the model named Archaon. Not Archaon, the Everchosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelust Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I wouldn't expect a reduction on Archaon but one on the Varanguard feels right. Paying 120 points a model is really steep, and isn't even really justified when including the HUGE Archaon tax for the +1 to hit. I'm toying with a fun list with Archaon, Varanguard, a few Skyfires, and a mobile general with the +1 to hit...for daemon weapons and arrows of fate doing mortal wounds on 4+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Nagash got a reduction, so I'd expect to see archaon to get a 100 point one also, morghasts also cheaper so again I'd expect to see varanguard cheaper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killax Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 Cheaper would certainly fit the bill! I think it would also really help if they could still have a mark without Archaon (just one). But to me a lot of things in the Everchosen Battletome seemed rushed so can be finetuned into something nice. Which will probably at some point happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I don't expect Archaon to get cheaper, would be great but in contrast to Nagash he saw at least some play. (but maybe...) The keyword shenanigans of the varanguard is most likely not going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnelian Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Varanguard being affected by bloodstokers and bloodsecrators without breaking allegiance ? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuneBrush Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Never really looked at Varanguard before. Quite like the idea of running them with Daemonweapons - because everything is better with Daemonweapons Out of curiosity, why do people tend to veer towards Archaon on mount rather than foot or Everchosen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernalslayer Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 The foot Archaon doesn't have a warscroll (It was mentioned in the "Warriors of Chaos" compendium to substitute him for a generic Chaos lord). I guess most people choose the old mounted Archaon because he is a lot cheaper in points and can fit in a larger variety of points games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkiham Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 3 hours ago, RuneBrush said: Never really looked at Varanguard before. Quite like the idea of running them with Daemonweapons - because everything is better with Daemonweapons Out of curiosity, why do people tend to veer towards Archaon on mount rather than foot or Everchosen? He doesn't work with the varanguard, only the big one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasz Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 They are at 300 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 It's a shame the gaunt summoners on foot went up, could have had varanguard and gaunt as allies in a 2000 pt game and archy already has all the marks so doesn't count as an ally! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelust Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 On 8/23/2017 at 6:22 AM, Retro said: It's a shame the gaunt summoners on foot went up, could have had varanguard and gaunt as allies in a 2000 pt game and archy already has all the marks so doesn't count as an ally! I think we're going to be seeing a lot of the Gaunt Summoner, even at 120 points. But yeah, Everchosen in general got a lot better. I could see Archaon + 3 Varanguard, 2 Gaunt Summoners and some points left over for summoning chaff and objective claimers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nico Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 They are extremely good on the charge (especially with a double activation). They are better Fulminators. With Daemonic Power buff they really rock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowgra Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 38 minutes ago, Nico said: They are extremely good on the charge (especially with a double activation). They are better Fulminators. With Daemonic Power buff they really rock. Not really better If they were fulminators tier i will buy them istantly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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